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	<title>Comments on: Agile Arguments, Part 2 &#8211; Background, and Arguments from Fear</title>
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		<title>By: Troy DeMonbreun</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/06/agile-arguments-part-2-background-and-arguments-from-fear/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>Troy DeMonbreun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 18:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Semi-Random-Yet-Related thoughts:

* Given an environment exhibiting the above 8 points of behavior (or even most of those points), no methodology would produce a quality product.  Sadly, these types of behavior are _rampant_ in corporate (and non-corporate) America.

* The most comprehensive way to find out what is flawed in the operations of any business is to attempt to model that business&#039; processes in software form.

* In business software development, successful planning and requirements gathering often requires buy-in from the vertical and buy-in from the horizontal.  Vertical buy-in means that the buy-in reaches to the top (or practical top) of the company/department, and horizontal buy-in means the buy-in comprises a sufficient breadth of employees in the problem space.  The currency of vertical buy-in is more often just that, currency, and the currency of horizontal buy-in is more often domain knowledge.  Both buy-ins require the currency of time as well, granted, the horizontal pays more.

* No matter what the problem is, it&#039;s always a people problem. -Gerald M. Weinberg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Semi-Random-Yet-Related thoughts:</p>
<p>* Given an environment exhibiting the above 8 points of behavior (or even most of those points), no methodology would produce a quality product.  Sadly, these types of behavior are _rampant_ in corporate (and non-corporate) America.</p>
<p>* The most comprehensive way to find out what is flawed in the operations of any business is to attempt to model that business&#8217; processes in software form.</p>
<p>* In business software development, successful planning and requirements gathering often requires buy-in from the vertical and buy-in from the horizontal.  Vertical buy-in means that the buy-in reaches to the top (or practical top) of the company/department, and horizontal buy-in means the buy-in comprises a sufficient breadth of employees in the problem space.  The currency of vertical buy-in is more often just that, currency, and the currency of horizontal buy-in is more often domain knowledge.  Both buy-ins require the currency of time as well, granted, the horizontal pays more.</p>
<p>* No matter what the problem is, it&#8217;s always a people problem. -Gerald M. Weinberg</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Myers</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/06/agile-arguments-part-2-background-and-arguments-from-fear/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@D.P. -

Great post! Unless you have an objection, I&#039;m going to link it from the Part 1 kickoff page.

Something struck me as wrong about your function, though. I think it may be the fact that Quality = Value and so SHOULDN&#039;T require special mention. But as we all know, and as you pointed out, sadly it DOES require special mention because no one believes that Quality = Value.

Just as &#039;Shipping&#039; is a feature, so is &#039;Quality&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@D.P. -</p>
<p>Great post! Unless you have an objection, I&#8217;m going to link it from the Part 1 kickoff page.</p>
<p>Something struck me as wrong about your function, though. I think it may be the fact that Quality = Value and so SHOULDN&#8217;T require special mention. But as we all know, and as you pointed out, sadly it DOES require special mention because no one believes that Quality = Value.</p>
<p>Just as &#8216;Shipping&#8217; is a feature, so is &#8216;Quality&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: D. P. Bullington</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/06/agile-arguments-part-2-background-and-arguments-from-fear/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>D. P. Bullington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember my 4-d function of business value:

Value = f (Cost, Time, Scope, Quality)

http://blog.softwareishardwork.com/2008/01/software-quality-is-must.html

Quality is always taking a backseat to everything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember my 4-d function of business value:</p>
<p>Value = f (Cost, Time, Scope, Quality)</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.softwareishardwork.com/2008/01/software-quality-is-must.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.softwareishardwork.com/2008/01/software-quality-is-must.html</a></p>
<p>Quality is always taking a backseat to everything else.</p>
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