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	<title>Comments on: Engaging Microsoft</title>
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		<title>By: Drew Miller</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good to meet you Chad (at the funding open source talk) and to know that at least some of us at Microsoft aren&#039;t automatically anathema. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good to meet you Chad (at the funding open source talk) and to know that at least some of us at Microsoft aren&#8217;t automatically anathema. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Neilson</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-249</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Neilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 05:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys,

I for one would like to see conversations kept public, in places such as Twitter, rather than being moved to Skype. Then everyone gets to see the two points of view and benefit from the debate.

Plus we get to see who is best at name-calling :-p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys,</p>
<p>I for one would like to see conversations kept public, in places such as Twitter, rather than being moved to Skype. Then everyone gets to see the two points of view and benefit from the debate.</p>
<p>Plus we get to see who is best at name-calling :-p</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Block</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-248</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Block</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 06:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chad

Thanks for all your support and kind words. Developer exchange sounds like a great idea, I&#039;ll start floating it around. Keep up all the good work. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chad</p>
<p>Thanks for all your support and kind words. Developer exchange sounds like a great idea, I&#8217;ll start floating it around. Keep up all the good work. </p>
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		<title>By: Rob Conery</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-247</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Conery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spose what would be nice in terms of &quot;Conduct&quot; would be simple professional respect, the same you show to the people in your office. 6 months ago I was your poster boy Alt.NET guy, now I work at Microsoft. I didn&#039;t feel anything change, except that I became responsible for a lot of people&#039;s anxieties :).

The good thing is that I was hired, in part, to address that issue - which I am! All I ask is some respect, which I think I deserve at this point :).

And we don&#039;t talk about Fight Club.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spose what would be nice in terms of &#8220;Conduct&#8221; would be simple professional respect, the same you show to the people in your office. 6 months ago I was your poster boy Alt.NET guy, now I work at Microsoft. I didn&#8217;t feel anything change, except that I became responsible for a lot of people&#8217;s anxieties :).</p>
<p>The good thing is that I was hired, in part, to address that issue &#8211; which I am! All I ask is some respect, which I think I deserve at this point :).</p>
<p>And we don&#8217;t talk about Fight Club.</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Myers</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Myers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Haack It was crazy, I felt bad I didn&#039;t get a chance to sit down with you either (or you either, @Rob).

There might be something into getting MS developers out into the community to see how people are using the tools they&#039;re developing. Your CEO keeps saying &#039;Developers, Developers, Developers&#039;, well, let&#039;s make it about the devs, right? :)

@Rob: Very interesting. I didn&#039;t realize all that. Thank you for doing that and please keep it up and keep putting stuff out there. 

I talked with a few folks at the conf about the whole twitter/TDD incident and I think the &#039;Let&#039;s take it outside, on Skype&#039; was awesome. Sorry I missed it I wanted to be there.  I hope it went well.

I wonder if we shouldn&#039;t have a &#039;Rule of Fight Club&#039; where if we get to a point where there&#039;s more than one or two public comments, we take it to Skype and iron it out.  Unfortunately, we don&#039;t always have that time, so the moment must support it, but it might be worth establishing some code of conduct for MS Developer vs. Public interactions like that. Thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Haack It was crazy, I felt bad I didn&#8217;t get a chance to sit down with you either (or you either, @Rob).</p>
<p>There might be something into getting MS developers out into the community to see how people are using the tools they&#8217;re developing. Your CEO keeps saying &#8216;Developers, Developers, Developers&#8217;, well, let&#8217;s make it about the devs, right? :)</p>
<p>@Rob: Very interesting. I didn&#8217;t realize all that. Thank you for doing that and please keep it up and keep putting stuff out there. </p>
<p>I talked with a few folks at the conf about the whole twitter/TDD incident and I think the &#8216;Let&#8217;s take it outside, on Skype&#8217; was awesome. Sorry I missed it I wanted to be there.  I hope it went well.</p>
<p>I wonder if we shouldn&#8217;t have a &#8216;Rule of Fight Club&#8217; where if we get to a point where there&#8217;s more than one or two public comments, we take it to Skype and iron it out.  Unfortunately, we don&#8217;t always have that time, so the moment must support it, but it might be worth establishing some code of conduct for MS Developer vs. Public interactions like that. Thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Conery</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Conery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chad - didn&#039;t get a chance to meet you, hopefully next time.

I like the idea of a DevExchange but to be honest, I am about as far outside of &quot;The Mothership&quot; as I can get (about 2200 miles to be precise) - this applies both physically and mentally. Case in point, the MVC Storefront thing I&#039;m doing right now runs directly counter to most internal efforts, if not all of them.

I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;ve seen it yet, but the deal is that I am actively seeking out specialists in the community to help me. Ayende helped me setup some core architectural patterns. Steve Harman helped me setup a testable Repository. Aaron Jensen sat with me last week on campus (I was there for the summit) to go over some TDD stuff.

To directly answer your question: I get many suggestions internally, but they&#039;ve essentially given me as much rope as I want. It&#039;s all me at this point - the only major thing that&#039;s been requested of me is to keep it positive :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chad &#8211; didn&#8217;t get a chance to meet you, hopefully next time.</p>
<p>I like the idea of a DevExchange but to be honest, I am about as far outside of &#8220;The Mothership&#8221; as I can get (about 2200 miles to be precise) &#8211; this applies both physically and mentally. Case in point, the MVC Storefront thing I&#8217;m doing right now runs directly counter to most internal efforts, if not all of them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you&#8217;ve seen it yet, but the deal is that I am actively seeking out specialists in the community to help me. Ayende helped me setup some core architectural patterns. Steve Harman helped me setup a testable Repository. Aaron Jensen sat with me last week on campus (I was there for the summit) to go over some TDD stuff.</p>
<p>To directly answer your question: I get many suggestions internally, but they&#8217;ve essentially given me as much rope as I want. It&#8217;s all me at this point &#8211; the only major thing that&#8217;s been requested of me is to keep it positive :).</p>
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		<title>By: Haacked</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-244</link>
		<dc:creator>Haacked</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Chad, great to meet you, only regret is we didn&#039;t get to talk much. Thanks for the kudos.

As for the developer exchange program, it&#039;s an intriguing idea. I&#039;m pretty sure we do this already in the Seattle area, but not sure if we ever fly people out to the far reaches of the US. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chad, great to meet you, only regret is we didn&#8217;t get to talk much. Thanks for the kudos.</p>
<p>As for the developer exchange program, it&#8217;s an intriguing idea. I&#8217;m pretty sure we do this already in the Seattle area, but not sure if we ever fly people out to the far reaches of the US. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Scolamiero</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Scolamiero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here Here to all.  Thanks for the help Glenn, Scott, Scott, Phil, Rob, and others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Here to all.  Thanks for the help Glenn, Scott, Scott, Phil, Rob, and others.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray Houston</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/chadmyers/2008/04/21/engaging-microsoft/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Microsoft folks have shown a lot of professionalism. I have a lot of respect for them for that. They are listening. We should all take some time to thank them for that. We&#039;re all developers trying to make the work a better place. We all have the same goal. The conference showed it was unified community and not a &quot;us and them&quot; sort of thing. This is a great thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Microsoft folks have shown a lot of professionalism. I have a lot of respect for them for that. They are listening. We should all take some time to thank them for that. We&#8217;re all developers trying to make the work a better place. We all have the same goal. The conference showed it was unified community and not a &#8220;us and them&#8221; sort of thing. This is a great thing.</p>
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