Comments on: A testing survey on a large project http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2009/05/06/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project/ Strong opinions, weakly held Thu, 23 May 2013 23:40:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: No More Hacks http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2009/05/06/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project/#comment-1511 No More Hacks Mon, 11 May 2009 19:33:56 +0000 /blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/05/05/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project.aspx#comment-1511 This is a really excellent article; it is particularly great to see numbers, even though your team might not get excited about them, it is great to see them so that people (ahem) who don't work with lots of tests can see what "a lot" of tests looks like! I'm always interested in the line between a "unit test" and an integration test. Particularly for classes which have responsibility for bringing together the behaviour of other classes (e.g., Facade pattern). http://nomorehacks.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/when-is-a-unit-test-not-a-unit-test/ But as you say, the real value of the integration tests is the end-to-end; when you have rewired everything in between the UI and the database then you end up throwing away a lot of unit tests as the units have gone as well. This is a really excellent article; it is particularly great to see numbers, even though your team might not get excited about them, it is great to see them so that people (ahem) who don’t work with lots of tests can see what “a lot” of tests looks like!

I’m always interested in the line between a “unit test” and an integration test. Particularly for classes which have responsibility for bringing together the behaviour of other classes (e.g., Facade pattern).

http://nomorehacks.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/when-is-a-unit-test-not-a-unit-test/

But as you say, the real value of the integration tests is the end-to-end; when you have rewired everything in between the UI and the database then you end up throwing away a lot of unit tests as the units have gone as well.

]]> By: bogardj http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2009/05/06/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project/#comment-1510 bogardj Wed, 06 May 2009 15:35:40 +0000 /blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/05/05/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project.aspx#comment-1510 @Tim We use WatiN w/ Gallio @Tim

We use WatiN w/ Gallio

]]> By: ZVolkov http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2009/05/06/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project/#comment-1509 ZVolkov Wed, 06 May 2009 15:20:15 +0000 /blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/05/05/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project.aspx#comment-1509 The best part of this post imho is the one about Integration Tests and how they allow major redesigns. It seems so obvious but many teams don't do true end-to-end integration tests and end up having to lock the design "until next big version" which causes definite code rot! The best part of this post imho is the one about Integration Tests and how they allow major redesigns. It seems so obvious but many teams don’t do true end-to-end integration tests and end up having to lock the design “until next big version” which causes definite code rot!

]]> By: Kristofer http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2009/05/06/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project/#comment-1508 Kristofer Wed, 06 May 2009 09:30:37 +0000 /blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/05/05/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project.aspx#comment-1508 Nice post, just passed it along to my project manager. Hearing more about your "solid UI testing strategy" would be really interesting! + also some more technical details about your integration tests using the layer right below the UI. Nice post, just passed it along to my project manager.

Hearing more about your “solid UI testing strategy” would be really interesting! + also some more technical details about your integration tests using the layer right below the UI.

]]> By: Tim Ross http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2009/05/06/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project/#comment-1507 Tim Ross Wed, 06 May 2009 07:50:13 +0000 /blogs/jimmy_bogard/archive/2009/05/05/a-testing-survey-on-a-large-project.aspx#comment-1507 Great post, Jimmy. What tool do you use for your automated UI testing? Great post, Jimmy. What tool do you use for your automated UI testing?

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