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		<title>By: Kekerain2011</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/07/08/endemic-simplicity/#comment-3605</link>
		<dc:creator>Kekerain2011</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jul 2011 05:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Marisic</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/07/08/endemic-simplicity/#comment-3592</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Marisic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take extreme offense to that being a .NET Software Architect. My shop builds lean specific web applications that we integrate with contiguous site navigation and a single sign on system that allows a seamless experience. 

Bad architects make bad software, that is in no way respective of architects as a whole. Unfortunately I have met many &quot;architect&quot; level developers that career records 2-3x longer than mine and yet I wouldn&#039;t even hire them for a mid level position in my shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take extreme offense to that being a .NET Software Architect. My shop builds lean specific web applications that we integrate with contiguous site navigation and a single sign on system that allows a seamless experience. </p>
<p>Bad architects make bad software, that is in no way respective of architects as a whole. Unfortunately I have met many &#8220;architect&#8221; level developers that career records 2-3x longer than mine and yet I wouldn&#8217;t even hire them for a mid level position in my shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihai Lazar</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/07/08/endemic-simplicity/#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>Mihai Lazar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s the cost of the tools that are used. That is what makes people design big things, rather than making them small - the wish for profit.

Plus it depends on what the targets are, WCF for instance is a platform for a multitude of communication scenarios. 

Anyone can design lovely apps even in .NET, especially with FubuMVC, or Nancy, or OpenRasta, or ASP.NET MVC. But since usually there are &quot;architects&quot; at work behind them, they have to make it big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s the cost of the tools that are used. That is what makes people design big things, rather than making them small &#8211; the wish for profit.</p>
<p>Plus it depends on what the targets are, WCF for instance is a platform for a multitude of communication scenarios. </p>
<p>Anyone can design lovely apps even in .NET, especially with FubuMVC, or Nancy, or OpenRasta, or ASP.NET MVC. But since usually there are &#8220;architects&#8221; at work behind them, they have to make it big.</p>
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		<title>By: Srdjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Srdjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ditto! I&#039;ve been using SimpleDNS for a while now - it is very simple - specially after using others. but, I never connected the dots, re ruby community... makes sense.
And, Rob, what are u up to ? Long silence and now setting up sites, ha! Looking forward to see it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ditto! I&#8217;ve been using SimpleDNS for a while now &#8211; it is very simple &#8211; specially after using others. but, I never connected the dots, re ruby community&#8230; makes sense.<br />
And, Rob, what are u up to ? Long silence and now setting up sites, ha! Looking forward to see it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Stackhouse</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/07/08/endemic-simplicity/#comment-3589</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Stackhouse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jimmy, thanks for the post. I think the &quot;endemic simplicity&quot; you speak of is &quot;small sharp tools&quot; inherited from *NIX philosophy.

.NET and Java (IMHO) handicap their developers with a steep learning curve (not to mention syntactic baggage) trying to be all things to all people. Look at WCF for example. How many different types of connections can you have? I know Named Pipes is in there someplace (never had to use this and don&#039;t anticipate I ever will). http://visualizationtools.net/default/wcf-service-flavors/

I think Microsoft could do just find as a tool vendor if it only served up languages instead of frameworks. 

Some argue that even the BCL is bloated: http://blog.markrendle.net/2011/06/28/how-i-would-like-microsoft-to-distribute-net-v-next/

Caleb Jenkins reccomended Object Thinking: http://developingux.com/2010/01/17/practice-object-oriented-development/. I never finished the book. It did have a nice little history lesson at the front about things like why Stroustroup poo-pooed SIMULA. In addition to that, it basically says that the language your shop uses is based on philosophical choice.

I wonder if the C# team and the framework team have a philosophical divide. It seems like there is a divide between the MVC folks and other parts of M$.

I&#039;ve identified for several years as Alt.NET (you know that band of weirdos who embrace C# but spurn pretty much everything mainstream .NET although a bunch of us prefer MVC to Monorail these days). NHibernate and Windsor forever baby.

To me it all comes down to &quot;Context is King&quot; and &quot;Right Tool for the Job&quot;.

With the thread per request baggage (on the web side at least), I&#039;m not sure .NET scales much better than a C implementation of Ruby, but I haven&#039;t run any numbers.

I think we are stuck in a situation where Microsoft is a household name, and a bunch of us don&#039;t really like what they are selling that much (but the boss does). The HTML &amp; JS on the desktop thing has been done, but it&#039;ll  be interesting to see what they do with it. I have a hard time believing that most desktop client devs won&#039;t stage a full-scale revolt (you know after spending years perfecting WinForms or WPF-fu).

I think it is worth noting that there was or is some division among the *NIX boys and girls too: http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=705

I think part of the problem may be that Microsoft doesn&#039;t really seem to be listening lately. What happened to the heroes that saved the &quot;average user&quot; from the terminal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy, thanks for the post. I think the &#8220;endemic simplicity&#8221; you speak of is &#8220;small sharp tools&#8221; inherited from *NIX philosophy.</p>
<p>.NET and Java (IMHO) handicap their developers with a steep learning curve (not to mention syntactic baggage) trying to be all things to all people. Look at WCF for example. How many different types of connections can you have? I know Named Pipes is in there someplace (never had to use this and don&#8217;t anticipate I ever will). http://visualizationtools.net/default/wcf-service-flavors/</p>
<p>I think Microsoft could do just find as a tool vendor if it only served up languages instead of frameworks. </p>
<p>Some argue that even the BCL is bloated: http://blog.markrendle.net/2011/06/28/how-i-would-like-microsoft-to-distribute-net-v-next/</p>
<p>Caleb Jenkins reccomended Object Thinking: http://developingux.com/2010/01/17/practice-object-oriented-development/. I never finished the book. It did have a nice little history lesson at the front about things like why Stroustroup poo-pooed SIMULA. In addition to that, it basically says that the language your shop uses is based on philosophical choice.</p>
<p>I wonder if the C# team and the framework team have a philosophical divide. It seems like there is a divide between the MVC folks and other parts of M$.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve identified for several years as Alt.NET (you know that band of weirdos who embrace C# but spurn pretty much everything mainstream .NET although a bunch of us prefer MVC to Monorail these days). NHibernate and Windsor forever baby.</p>
<p>To me it all comes down to &#8220;Context is King&#8221; and &#8220;Right Tool for the Job&#8221;.</p>
<p>With the thread per request baggage (on the web side at least), I&#8217;m not sure .NET scales much better than a C implementation of Ruby, but I haven&#8217;t run any numbers.</p>
<p>I think we are stuck in a situation where Microsoft is a household name, and a bunch of us don&#8217;t really like what they are selling that much (but the boss does). The HTML &amp; JS on the desktop thing has been done, but it&#8217;ll  be interesting to see what they do with it. I have a hard time believing that most desktop client devs won&#8217;t stage a full-scale revolt (you know after spending years perfecting WinForms or WPF-fu).</p>
<p>I think it is worth noting that there was or is some division among the *NIX boys and girls too: http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=705</p>
<p>I think part of the problem may be that Microsoft doesn&#8217;t really seem to be listening lately. What happened to the heroes that saved the &#8220;average user&#8221; from the terminal?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Eisenberg</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/07/08/endemic-simplicity/#comment-3586</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Eisenberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jul 2011 13:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jimmy! This is very timely for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jimmy! This is very timely for me.</p>
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