Comments on: The Dart Hello World http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/ Strong opinions, weakly held Wed, 19 Jun 2013 08:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Ryan Martin http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-5541 Ryan Martin Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:23:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-5541 Have you changed your opinion of Dart over the last year? I've been using it since M2 and find it to be fantastic and it's still pre V1. Have you changed your opinion of Dart over the last year? I’ve been using it since M2 and find it to be fantastic and it’s still pre V1.

]]> By: Why is javascript the only client side scripting language implemented in browsers? [closed] | PHP Developer Resource http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4624 Why is javascript the only client side scripting language implemented in browsers? [closed] | PHP Developer Resource Tue, 29 May 2012 02:57:58 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4624 [...] use JavaScript as an intermediate. I’d argue that should be what Dart does as well, though they have some room to improve. Tagged: BrowserJavaScriptquestionsStandardsweb /* * * CONFIGURATION VARIABLES: EDIT [...] [...] use JavaScript as an intermediate. I’d argue that should be what Dart does as well, though they have some room to improve. Tagged: BrowserJavaScriptquestionsStandardsweb /* * * CONFIGURATION VARIABLES: EDIT [...]

]]> By: Adam http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4019 Adam Mon, 17 Oct 2011 05:24:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4019 Check this out as well. C# like language that compiles to javascript. http://www.toptensoftware.com/prefix/ Check this out as well. C# like language that compiles to javascript.

http://www.toptensoftware.com/prefix/

]]> By: Nicolas Bousquet http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4015 Nicolas Bousquet Sat, 15 Oct 2011 17:29:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4015 "and now we’ve built Java executing in the browser." Isn't it exactly what google want to do with Dart? I mean they want a statically typed language so you can reason about code. This bring automatic refactotring, easy code navigation (call tree), more advenced metrics etc. We can like java or not, but it is effective for the kind of things Dart was invented: big projects with lot of developpers. If you think about yourself has a lone developper or work in small projects teams, Dart might not be the most productive tool. Differents needs, differents tool. And how? Did you check how big a modern JS VM is? To just print hello world in JS, you have to run a browser, an URL, a JS VM etc... And most machine would fail to do it with less than a few MB of memory... To display "Hello world". Think about it. “and now we’ve
built Java executing in the browser.”

Isn’t it exactly what google want to do with Dart? I mean they want a statically typed language so you can reason about code. This bring automatic refactotring, easy code navigation (call tree), more advenced metrics etc.

We can like java or not, but it is effective for the kind of things Dart was invented: big projects with lot of developpers.

If you think about yourself has a lone developper or work in small projects teams, Dart might not be the most productive tool.

Differents needs, differents tool.

And how? Did you check how big a modern JS VM is? To just print hello world in JS, you have to run a browser, an URL, a JS VM etc… And most machine would fail to do it with less than a few MB of memory… To display “Hello world”. Think about it.

]]> By: Mark Rendle http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4004 Mark Rendle Thu, 13 Oct 2011 14:34:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-4004 I understand the point of Dart. When you're writing 100s of Ks of lines of JavaScript code for your rich HTML5 application, it pretty quickly becomes hard to maintain, check and test. This is because JavaScript was hacked together to perform extremely simple tasks like form validation and basic DOM manipulation. Dart has been designed from the ground up as a language for creating complex applications. It doesn't have to maintain backward compatibility with the hacky, lightweight language, so all the hacky, lightweight annoyances are not an issue. Also, because it's been designed by a small team working together every day, it's being developed very fast, unlike JavaScript, which is taking the "evolution" concept very literally in terms of the timescales involved. My issue is that I thought Google were working on a compiler that would take the proposed ES6 syntax and compile it to current JavaScript, which seems like a better use of development time. But I also like Dart's concepts around types and interfaces and the compile/debug-time checking that enables. I understand the point of Dart. When you’re writing 100s of Ks of lines of JavaScript code for your rich HTML5 application, it pretty quickly becomes hard to maintain, check and test. This is because JavaScript was hacked together to perform extremely simple tasks like form validation and basic DOM manipulation. Dart has been designed from the ground up as a language for creating complex applications. It doesn’t have to maintain backward compatibility with the hacky, lightweight language, so all the hacky, lightweight annoyances are not an issue.

Also, because it’s been designed by a small team working together every day, it’s being developed very fast, unlike JavaScript, which is taking the “evolution” concept very literally in terms of the timescales involved.

My issue is that I thought Google were working on a compiler that would take the proposed ES6 syntax and compile it to current JavaScript, which seems like a better use of development time. But I also like Dart’s concepts around types and interfaces and the compile/debug-time checking that enables.

]]> By: David Evans http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3999 David Evans Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:15:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3999 The primary reasons for Google developing Dart is for the following reasons, Serialization of data, additional security running in a VM environment and running code nativity on the client environment(Think net-books, server applications and Cloud storage). The Dart to Java-Script conversion tool functionality is just to get developers to initially invest in learning Dart language knowing that their programs will run in any browser that currently supports Java Script and could/would start up quicker and run faster in the web browser supporting a Dart VM. This will be included in future version of the Chrome Browser, IMO probably also in the Fire-Fox Browser either via a community development effort or led directly by Google, for the IE web-browser probably when "HELL FREEZES OVER" and for Opera? Who knows. The primary reasons for Google developing Dart is for the following reasons, Serialization of data, additional security running in a VM environment and running code nativity on the client environment(Think net-books, server applications and Cloud storage). The Dart to Java-Script conversion tool functionality is just to get developers to initially invest in learning Dart language knowing that their programs will run in any browser that currently supports Java Script and could/would start up quicker and run faster in the web browser supporting a Dart VM. This will be included in future version of the Chrome Browser, IMO probably also in the Fire-Fox Browser either via a community development effort or led directly by Google, for the IE web-browser probably when “HELL FREEZES OVER” and for Opera? Who knows.

]]> By: Anonymous http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3998 Anonymous Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:08:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3998 It's not a comparison, really, it's looking at what it takes to have Dart run in JS. The actual JS code is the interesting part, to me. Check the analysis in the link, it's a fascinating read on JS code. It’s not a comparison, really, it’s looking at what it takes to have Dart run in JS. The actual JS code is the interesting part, to me.

Check the analysis in the link, it’s a fascinating read on JS code.

]]> By: Anonymous http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3997 Anonymous Wed, 12 Oct 2011 15:07:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3997 I just enjoyed the memes in the gist comments. I didn't intend to imply that all Dart code compiles to JS, but that the compiled Dart code is really interesting in what you need to do to run a static-ish language on top of JS. Interesting, and silly. I just enjoyed the memes in the gist comments.

I didn’t intend to imply that all Dart code compiles to JS, but that the compiled Dart code is really interesting in what you need to do to run a static-ish language on top of JS. Interesting, and silly.

]]> By: Gabe Moothart http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3996 Gabe Moothart Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:59:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3996 This is BS. The point of dart is to create a language that can be more quickly compiled/interpreted by the browser - it is intended to be native. So its unfair and misleading to say "Dart compiles to Javascript". The fact that Google has released (an early version of) a Dart-to-JS cross-compiler does not detract at all from that point. This is BS. The point of dart is to create a language that can be more quickly compiled/interpreted by the browser – it is intended to be native. So its unfair and misleading to say “Dart compiles to Javascript”. The fact that Google has released (an early version of) a Dart-to-JS cross-compiler does not detract at all from that point.

]]> By: James McKay http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3995 James McKay Wed, 12 Oct 2011 14:33:00 +0000 http://lostechies.com/jimmybogard/2011/10/12/the-dart-hello-world/#comment-3995 I seem to recall reading that the reason they created Dart is that there are too many JavaScript frameworks. This comes to mind (http://xkcd.com/927/): I seem to recall reading that the reason they created Dart is that there are too many JavaScript frameworks. This comes to mind (http://xkcd.com/927/):

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