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		<title>By: dnjommedf</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>dnjommedf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 20:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: neil martin </title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>neil martin </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe 
Hi i hope you dont mind but we have written a tiny abstraction layer on nbehave to allow us to seperate the functional implementations form the descriptive a little like cucumber . 

Any way it can be found here 
http://neilmartinagile.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/a-variation-on-nbehave-story/
regards
Neil Martin 
&amp; 
Ronnie Barker</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe<br />
Hi i hope you dont mind but we have written a tiny abstraction layer on nbehave to allow us to seperate the functional implementations form the descriptive a little like cucumber . </p>
<p>Any way it can be found here<br />
<a href="http://neilmartinagile.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/a-variation-on-nbehave-story/" rel="nofollow">http://neilmartinagile.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/a-variation-on-nbehave-story/</a><br />
regards<br />
Neil Martin<br />
&#038;<br />
Ronnie Barker</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-371</link>
		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple question I would really appreciate someone can answer me:

1) Where can I found NBehave documentation?
2) What are the requirements (HD, OS, .NET version, VS version etc.) in order to instal NBehave?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple question I would really appreciate someone can answer me:</p>
<p>1) Where can I found NBehave documentation?<br />
2) What are the requirements (HD, OS, .NET version, VS version etc.) in order to instal NBehave?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave &#34;The Ninja&#34; Lawton</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-370</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave &#34;The Ninja&#34; Lawton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So April 1st still on for the official build?

Let me know if poss!
david (at) electrichornet (dot) com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So April 1st still on for the official build?</p>
<p>Let me know if poss!<br />
david (at) electrichornet (dot) com</p>
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		<title>By: Vladan Strigo</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladan Strigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 07:03:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe,

I agree about the semantics. 

However (not that I am trying to convince you :)) it&#039;s the feeling that I like about making a distinction between a spec. and an observation.

And I would rather put it:

These specifications are concerning this type
vs.
These observations are concerning this type

because they are both part of the (sometimes) same concern, only differ by their intent... with the first we specify how SUT should behave, with the second we observe what that (or other) behavior should do (or result to) - which is equaly important in some scenarios.

Anyway... I am very happy Gallio will support it. It trully will be a great engine to work with (now if only TDD.NET would comply as well :))


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Vladan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe,</p>
<p>I agree about the semantics. </p>
<p>However (not that I am trying to convince you <img src='http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) it&#8217;s the feeling that I like about making a distinction between a spec. and an observation.</p>
<p>And I would rather put it:</p>
<p>These specifications are concerning this type<br />
vs.<br />
These observations are concerning this type</p>
<p>because they are both part of the (sometimes) same concern, only differ by their intent&#8230; with the first we specify how SUT should behave, with the second we observe what that (or other) behavior should do (or result to) &#8211; which is equaly important in some scenarios.</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; I am very happy Gallio will support it. It trully will be a great engine to work with (now if only TDD.NET would comply as well <img src='http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Vladan</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ocampo</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-368</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ocampo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Vladan

I think it is a matter of semantics. 

Write it out in  a sentence format:

These specifications are observing this type

vs

These specifications are concerning this type

the ladder is more appropriate to me as it conveys importance and something of iterest more so then simply observing.

Although this could simply be an English thing.

I have asked the Gallio crew if we can substitute alias in for attributes.  Jeff mentioned this shouldn&#039;t be a problem. So we could both be right in the end.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Vladan</p>
<p>I think it is a matter of semantics. </p>
<p>Write it out in  a sentence format:</p>
<p>These specifications are observing this type</p>
<p>vs</p>
<p>These specifications are concerning this type</p>
<p>the ladder is more appropriate to me as it conveys importance and something of iterest more so then simply observing.</p>
<p>Although this could simply be an English thing.</p>
<p>I have asked the Gallio crew if we can substitute alias in for attributes.  Jeff mentioned this shouldn&#8217;t be a problem. So we could both be right in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ocampo</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-367</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ocampo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 16:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jeremy Gray

I just started a discussion thread on the AltDotNet yahoo group about this very subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jeremy Gray</p>
<p>I just started a discussion thread on the AltDotNet yahoo group about this very subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladan Strigo</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-366</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladan Strigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe

Sounds great! Thnx!
It&#039;s a struggle worth fighting, I am glad your not giving up on it (even for Resharper working better as JP mentioned :)).


What do you think about [Observation]?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe</p>
<p>Sounds great! Thnx!<br />
It&#8217;s a struggle worth fighting, I am glad your not giving up on it (even for Resharper working better as JP mentioned <img src='http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ).</p>
<p>What do you think about [Observation]?</p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
Vladan</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ocampo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ocampo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@vladen

&gt;What do you think of an alternative approach to Concerns - nested classes with [Concern] attribute:

I had a feeling you were going to ask this question. The ONLY reason why I have elected not to format it this was is because some of the runners have an issue with nest TestFixtures. As we move towards Gallio this is something I will really be pursuing. If not for anything else then to make it more akin to rSpec. Example:

require &#039;user&#039;

describe User do

    before(:each) do
        @user = User.new
    end

    context &quot;(adding assigned role)&quot; do
        before(:each) do
            @user.assign_role(&quot;Manager&quot;)
        end

        specify &quot;should be in any roles assigned to it&quot; do
            @user.should be_in_role(&quot;Manager&quot;)
        end
       
        specify &quot;should not be in any role not assigned to it&quot; do
            @user.should_not be_in_role(&quot;unassigned role&quot;)
        end
    end
   
    context &quot;(adding assigned group)&quot; do

    end
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@vladen</p>
<p>>What do you think of an alternative approach to Concerns &#8211; nested classes with [Concern] attribute:</p>
<p>I had a feeling you were going to ask this question. The ONLY reason why I have elected not to format it this was is because some of the runners have an issue with nest TestFixtures. As we move towards Gallio this is something I will really be pursuing. If not for anything else then to make it more akin to rSpec. Example:</p>
<p>require &#8216;user&#8217;</p>
<p>describe User do</p>
<p>    before(:each) do<br />
        @user = User.new<br />
    end</p>
<p>    context &#8220;(adding assigned role)&#8221; do<br />
        before(:each) do<br />
            @user.assign_role(&#8220;Manager&#8221;)<br />
        end</p>
<p>        specify &#8220;should be in any roles assigned to it&#8221; do<br />
            @user.should be_in_role(&#8220;Manager&#8221;)<br />
        end</p>
<p>        specify &#8220;should not be in any role not assigned to it&#8221; do<br />
            @user.should_not be_in_role(&#8220;unassigned role&#8221;)<br />
        end<br />
    end</p>
<p>    context &#8220;(adding assigned group)&#8221; do</p>
<p>    end<br />
end</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Gray</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/joeocampo/2008/02/27/updates-to-nbehave/#comment-364</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a small point, but nonetheless: Between underscores and CamelCase, I hope you settle on CamelCase so that code using NBehave need not violate .net framework design guidelines on member naming (which underscores violate.)

It is all well and good to learn and borrow from other frameworks, other languages, other platforms, etc. but one still needs to keep in mind the rules, guidelines, and conventions of the target framework/language/platform/etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a small point, but nonetheless: Between underscores and CamelCase, I hope you settle on CamelCase so that code using NBehave need not violate .net framework design guidelines on member naming (which underscores violate.)</p>
<p>It is all well and good to learn and borrow from other frameworks, other languages, other platforms, etc. but one still needs to keep in mind the rules, guidelines, and conventions of the target framework/language/platform/etc.</p>
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