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		<title>By: joey</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>joey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Mar 2009 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*yawn*

I thought I would never see a cry baby post on Los Techies. This post adds zero value.  Everyone that reads Los Techies knows about the limitations of the tools provided by Microsoft.   Instead of crying about it, they actually provide helpful tips and alternate solutions to the &quot;microsoft way&quot;.

The only thing this post &quot;evoked&quot; was me ignoring future posts from you. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*yawn*</p>
<p>I thought I would never see a cry baby post on Los Techies. This post adds zero value.  Everyone that reads Los Techies knows about the limitations of the tools provided by Microsoft.   Instead of crying about it, they actually provide helpful tips and alternate solutions to the &#8220;microsoft way&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only thing this post &#8220;evoked&#8221; was me ignoring future posts from you. </p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Pang</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-51</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Pang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

I agree with the points you are making here, but the tone of your post is so snooty that I found myself wanting to disagree with you at every turn.  There is such a thing as making a point, protesting even, without coming across like an ass.  Now don&#039;t get me wrong, you can post however you want -- it is your blog after all -- just don&#039;t be surprised if people ignore your underlying point and come after you in the comments when you rant like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>I agree with the points you are making here, but the tone of your post is so snooty that I found myself wanting to disagree with you at every turn.  There is such a thing as making a point, protesting even, without coming across like an ass.  Now don&#8217;t get me wrong, you can post however you want &#8212; it is your blog after all &#8212; just don&#8217;t be surprised if people ignore your underlying point and come after you in the comments when you rant like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Eduardo F. Sandino</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Eduardo F. Sandino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been developing with ASP.NET since 2003 with the 1.1 adn 2.0 and 3.5 frameworks, VS 2003, 2005 and 2008 this IDES are good for Microsoft Technologies only, off course Microsoft makes feel the need to the clients to use his platform, but there are out there other good options, JAVA EJB3, RUBY, ...

But is true they copied JVM Java to make .NET Framework, all they see can be sold is copied... but thats the world, when sun people is thinking in the future technologies, like Microsoft is thinking in sold his apps, make us feel our hardware is absolete... like using the fucking vista system that is a shit... and i can run an ubuntu version with 512 mb of ram and have better graphic effects and performance than using a core 2 duo system to run an windows vista... isn&#039;t sence...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been developing with ASP.NET since 2003 with the 1.1 adn 2.0 and 3.5 frameworks, VS 2003, 2005 and 2008 this IDES are good for Microsoft Technologies only, off course Microsoft makes feel the need to the clients to use his platform, but there are out there other good options, JAVA EJB3, RUBY, &#8230;</p>
<p>But is true they copied JVM Java to make .NET Framework, all they see can be sold is copied&#8230; but thats the world, when sun people is thinking in the future technologies, like Microsoft is thinking in sold his apps, make us feel our hardware is absolete&#8230; like using the fucking vista system that is a shit&#8230; and i can run an ubuntu version with 512 mb of ram and have better graphic effects and performance than using a core 2 duo system to run an windows vista&#8230; isn&#8217;t sence&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Biefeld</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Biefeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 01:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew - Unfortunately whether or not I challenged anyone is not up to you or I. Thanks for the compliment, I am very opinionated, loud mouth however is definitely a misnomer. I am not at all self-glorifying by speaking my mind. The petition was a joke, but thanks for actually considering it, stop taking yourself so seriously.  

@Stephen Smith - I definitely don&#039;t think that the percentage is as high as 95%, I bet it is probably less than 50%, but I have no proof. I think the best outcome would be for developers to become independent and seek tools, best practices else where.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew &#8211; Unfortunately whether or not I challenged anyone is not up to you or I. Thanks for the compliment, I am very opinionated, loud mouth however is definitely a misnomer. I am not at all self-glorifying by speaking my mind. The petition was a joke, but thanks for actually considering it, stop taking yourself so seriously.  </p>
<p>@Stephen Smith &#8211; I definitely don&#8217;t think that the percentage is as high as 95%, I bet it is probably less than 50%, but I have no proof. I think the best outcome would be for developers to become independent and seek tools, best practices else where.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 00:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean,

You are giving yourself way to much credit here, you haven&#039;t challenged anyone.  All you did was post a &quot;M$ sux!&quot; post, the internet is full of them.  You&#039;re basically the internet equivalent of &quot;that guy&quot; everyone knows who insists that people don&#039;t like him because &quot;he tells it like it is&quot;, when in reality, he&#039;s just an opinioniated loud mouth.

Feel free to post what you like, I have no interest in forming any sort of petition to stop you.  I&#039;ve never read anything you&#039;ve written before, and if this is the quality you produce, I doubt I&#039;ll ever read anything you write after this.  

I can only assume that this site&#039;s other contributors will continue to provide good content.  If they don&#039;t, I&#039;ll just go elsewhere, it&#039;s no skin off my back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean,</p>
<p>You are giving yourself way to much credit here, you haven&#8217;t challenged anyone.  All you did was post a &#8220;M$ sux!&#8221; post, the internet is full of them.  You&#8217;re basically the internet equivalent of &#8220;that guy&#8221; everyone knows who insists that people don&#8217;t like him because &#8220;he tells it like it is&#8221;, when in reality, he&#8217;s just an opinioniated loud mouth.</p>
<p>Feel free to post what you like, I have no interest in forming any sort of petition to stop you.  I&#8217;ve never read anything you&#8217;ve written before, and if this is the quality you produce, I doubt I&#8217;ll ever read anything you write after this.  </p>
<p>I can only assume that this site&#8217;s other contributors will continue to provide good content.  If they don&#8217;t, I&#8217;ll just go elsewhere, it&#8217;s no skin off my back.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Smith</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Microsoft developers we probably get what we deserve. I now distinguish between software developers and Microsoft developers.

Microsoft developers&#039; continuing professional development focus is on learning new Microsoft APIs and the APIs of third parties such as DexExpress etc.  They are drunk on the cool aid. 

Software developers&#039; focus is on providing business value and determinng the best methodological practices and development principles that support delivering business value - early and often. Then they identify the tools that support those methodological practices and development principles.

Would the percentage of non &quot;software developers&quot; in the Microsoft space who are lapping up the cool aid be about 95%?
Would the best outcome for developers in the Microsoft space be if Microsoft went belly up? Or at least got right out of development tools?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Microsoft developers we probably get what we deserve. I now distinguish between software developers and Microsoft developers.</p>
<p>Microsoft developers&#8217; continuing professional development focus is on learning new Microsoft APIs and the APIs of third parties such as DexExpress etc.  They are drunk on the cool aid. </p>
<p>Software developers&#8217; focus is on providing business value and determinng the best methodological practices and development principles that support delivering business value &#8211; early and often. Then they identify the tools that support those methodological practices and development principles.</p>
<p>Would the percentage of non &#8220;software developers&#8221; in the Microsoft space who are lapping up the cool aid be about 95%?<br />
Would the best outcome for developers in the Microsoft space be if Microsoft went belly up? Or at least got right out of development tools?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Biefeld</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Biefeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe all the readers have come to these conclusions previously, but that doesn&#039;t detract my right to come to those conclusions, and post my thoughts on them. You may think that it was not constructive, but it poured from my brain and soul onto the page, unfettered, unpolished and raw.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe all the readers have come to these conclusions previously, but that doesn&#8217;t detract my right to come to those conclusions, and post my thoughts on them. You may think that it was not constructive, but it poured from my brain and soul onto the page, unfettered, unpolished and raw.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Biefeld</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Biefeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew - I challenged the audience to see if they are like-minded to myself. Start a petition to give me the boot. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew &#8211; I challenged the audience to see if they are like-minded to myself. Start a petition to give me the boot. </p>
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		<title>By: Sean Biefeld</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-44</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Biefeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All in all, this post has been informative to me. What buttons can be pressed to evoke which types of reactions. Also I can gather some semblance of how certain types of people react, i.e. which commenters expressed open mindedness and humility by not immediately dismissing the ideas behind the rant. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All in all, this post has been informative to me. What buttons can be pressed to evoke which types of reactions. Also I can gather some semblance of how certain types of people react, i.e. which commenters expressed open mindedness and humility by not immediately dismissing the ideas behind the rant. </p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanbiefeld/2009/03/03/developing-at-the-speed-of-microsoft/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 22:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Intent was not to slam Microsoft, but rather to invoke passion, get people to think a second about being independent, search for new and better ways to accomplish their goals.  To not rely on Microsoft to increase their skill as software craftsmen.

The problem with this statement is, the people who come to this website (and others like it) already think this.  In the best light your blog could be read as a &quot;preaching to the converted&quot;, but with your attitude, it honestly reads like someone who doesn&#039;t understand who his audience is.

Insulting people who already agree with you by calling them Fanboys or by saying that they want stale, conformist posts is just...welll, weird.  It&#039;s like you are intentionally picking a fight with someone who already agrees with you.

All in all, it&#039;s a substandard blog entry on what is normally a well thought out, profession website.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>>Intent was not to slam Microsoft, but rather to invoke passion, get people to think a second about being independent, search for new and better ways to accomplish their goals.  To not rely on Microsoft to increase their skill as software craftsmen.</p>
<p>The problem with this statement is, the people who come to this website (and others like it) already think this.  In the best light your blog could be read as a &#8220;preaching to the converted&#8221;, but with your attitude, it honestly reads like someone who doesn&#8217;t understand who his audience is.</p>
<p>Insulting people who already agree with you by calling them Fanboys or by saying that they want stale, conformist posts is just&#8230;welll, weird.  It&#8217;s like you are intentionally picking a fight with someone who already agrees with you.</p>
<p>All in all, it&#8217;s a substandard blog entry on what is normally a well thought out, profession website.  </p>
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