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		<title>By: Joey Beninghove</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Beninghove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:18:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I can easily see some gui that makes pretty representations of all the controllers and you click and drag them to the view you need wired up.  Through magic the view is wired up and AR classes are created.  Oh I can see it now....  &quot;

Noooooooooooooo!  

Thanks Joe, you&#039;ve successfully killed any confidence I had in bringing the Morts into the RoRst Century...  :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can easily see some gui that makes pretty representations of all the controllers and you click and drag them to the view you need wired up.  Through magic the view is wired up and AR classes are created.  Oh I can see it now&#8230;.  &#8221;</p>
<p>Noooooooooooooo!  </p>
<p>Thanks Joe, you&#8217;ve successfully killed any confidence I had in bringing the Morts into the RoRst Century&#8230;  <img src='http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ocampo</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ocampo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 21:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sean  I will work on the Ninja pic! :-)

@Joey 
I am always reserved about &quot;Morts&quot; they like all users amaze me on how they can mess up what I think is unbreakable.    They will find a way to create a GUI wizard that writes controllers and views for them.  Then they will come out with their own scripting language called RScript because Ruby doesn&#039;t make sense for them and they need a higher level language.    It will happen, it is just a matter of time.  I can easily see some gui that makes pretty representations of all the controllers and you click and drag them to the view you need wired up.  Through magic the view is wired up and AR classes are created.  Oh I can see it now....  Am I scaring you yet?

@Jason
It was only a matter of time! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sean  I will work on the Ninja pic! <img src='http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Joey<br />
I am always reserved about &#8220;Morts&#8221; they like all users amaze me on how they can mess up what I think is unbreakable.    They will find a way to create a GUI wizard that writes controllers and views for them.  Then they will come out with their own scripting language called RScript because Ruby doesn&#8217;t make sense for them and they need a higher level language.    It will happen, it is just a matter of time.  I can easily see some gui that makes pretty representations of all the controllers and you click and drag them to the view you need wired up.  Through magic the view is wired up and AR classes are created.  Oh I can see it now&#8230;.  Am I scaring you yet?</p>
<p>@Jason<br />
It was only a matter of time! lol</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Chambers</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Jason!

I haven&#039;t really played with it that much. Definately take a look at the screencasts on the RoR site. I did the flickr one to test it out and was amazed how easy it was.

http://www.rubyonrails.org/screencasts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Jason!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really played with it that much. Definately take a look at the screencasts on the RoR site. I did the flickr one to test it out and was amazed how easy it was.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rubyonrails.org/screencasts" rel="nofollow">http://www.rubyonrails.org/screencasts</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Meridth</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Meridth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 17:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, it&#039;s official.  I&#039;m going to start playing with Rails and Ruby.  You guys are leaving me in the dust.

Expect emails from me guys. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, it&#8217;s official.  I&#8217;m going to start playing with Rails and Ruby.  You guys are leaving me in the dust.</p>
<p>Expect emails from me guys. <img src='http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joey Beninghove</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Beninghove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 12:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of Morts, another interesting thing that Bellware brought up was the fact that RoR might actually be great for Morts!  I can see how that could be the case.  Because it would allow them to not only &quot;get stuff done&quot;, but also given the constraints of Rails and its &quot;opinion&quot; towards strongly encouraging practices like TDD and good separation of concerns, it would allow even Morts to produce both &quot;quick and clean&quot; software.

Just some interesting thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of Morts, another interesting thing that Bellware brought up was the fact that RoR might actually be great for Morts!  I can see how that could be the case.  Because it would allow them to not only &#8220;get stuff done&#8221;, but also given the constraints of Rails and its &#8220;opinion&#8221; towards strongly encouraging practices like TDD and good separation of concerns, it would allow even Morts to produce both &#8220;quick and clean&#8221; software.</p>
<p>Just some interesting thoughts&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Chambers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Chambers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 11:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joey : I am actually starting to use RoR more and more at work. Although I found the most dificult thing is setting up a production server with mongrel to run RoR. Other than that, that language is some awesome stuff. Especially the very intuitive syntax

@Joe : Say it brother! I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself. That was exactly what I was aiming to say. Microsoft SHOULD be leading us and be ahead of everyone else, not behind the eight ball on this one. I think the next 2-3 years will be a very important time for them. The morts (not all of them), are quickly becoming more experienced so the number of more experienced .Net developers is increasing at an amazing rate. Microsoft has to lead the pack now, or be left behind in the dust.

p.s. I loved that comment about ubuntu being a ninja in the night. I could picture an orange/brown ninja with a gnome logo on his chest =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joey : I am actually starting to use RoR more and more at work. Although I found the most dificult thing is setting up a production server with mongrel to run RoR. Other than that, that language is some awesome stuff. Especially the very intuitive syntax</p>
<p>@Joe : Say it brother! I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself. That was exactly what I was aiming to say. Microsoft SHOULD be leading us and be ahead of everyone else, not behind the eight ball on this one. I think the next 2-3 years will be a very important time for them. The morts (not all of them), are quickly becoming more experienced so the number of more experienced .Net developers is increasing at an amazing rate. Microsoft has to lead the pack now, or be left behind in the dust.</p>
<p>p.s. I loved that comment about ubuntu being a ninja in the night. I could picture an orange/brown ninja with a gnome logo on his chest =)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ocampo</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Ocampo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 05:24:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s look beyond IronRuby.  MS&#039;s model of delivering software has to change.  They have already admitted that they will never repeat what happened with Vista.  Vista is the quintessential culmination of the fallacies of heavy weight design.  

You spend 5 years creating a product that maybe adds 15% more productivity if that!  In 5 years with a multi billion dollar budget they should be Apple!  The should be leading innovation in the OS market not the other way around.  

Ballmer has recently indicate that MS future direction is in the &quot;Cloud&quot;.  A clear statement to the fact that recent pressure from Google and Apple are sinking in, not to mention Ubuntu coming in from the shadows like a ninja in the night.

So the question is as a development community, what do we expect from a perspective of &quot;quality&quot; and &quot;productivity&quot;?  Is it innovation? We have the web.  The fact that RoR is taking off is sad!!!  The reason I am saying this is because the web model has been around for decades but we are just NOW figuring out how to wrap an intuitive and scalable MVC pattern around it!  MS should be leading this front given their R&amp;D budgets and overspending!  Not playing catch up.  Stop catering to Mort and listen to real developers who need real tools!  Cater to Mort in VBA and Office, be innovative in ALL other areas!

Sorry for the rant :-) you just struck a nerve... LOL

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s look beyond IronRuby.  MS&#8217;s model of delivering software has to change.  They have already admitted that they will never repeat what happened with Vista.  Vista is the quintessential culmination of the fallacies of heavy weight design.  </p>
<p>You spend 5 years creating a product that maybe adds 15% more productivity if that!  In 5 years with a multi billion dollar budget they should be Apple!  The should be leading innovation in the OS market not the other way around.  </p>
<p>Ballmer has recently indicate that MS future direction is in the &#8220;Cloud&#8221;.  A clear statement to the fact that recent pressure from Google and Apple are sinking in, not to mention Ubuntu coming in from the shadows like a ninja in the night.</p>
<p>So the question is as a development community, what do we expect from a perspective of &#8220;quality&#8221; and &#8220;productivity&#8221;?  Is it innovation? We have the web.  The fact that RoR is taking off is sad!!!  The reason I am saying this is because the web model has been around for decades but we are just NOW figuring out how to wrap an intuitive and scalable MVC pattern around it!  MS should be leading this front given their R&#038;D budgets and overspending!  Not playing catch up.  Stop catering to Mort and listen to real developers who need real tools!  Cater to Mort in VBA and Office, be innovative in ALL other areas!</p>
<p>Sorry for the rant <img src='http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  you just struck a nerve&#8230; LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Meridth</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Meridth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 02:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.

I had full intention to listen and blog on those.  I fell asleep though.  I guess you snooze you lose.....or another LosTechies does it and you still win. :)

Thanks for the heads-up Joey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.</p>
<p>I had full intention to listen and blog on those.  I fell asleep though.  I guess you snooze you lose&#8230;..or another LosTechies does it and you still win. <img src='http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks for the heads-up Joey.</p>
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		<title>By: Joey Beninghove</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Joey Beninghove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I listened to the first 2 episodes of Rubiverse today that touch on a lot of these points.  The first with John Lam and second with Bellware.  The thing that stuck out to me was how important it&#039;s going to be for Microsoft to get IronRuby to run Rails.  John said they are absolutely planning on doing it, Scott is not so confident.  I really do hope John can pull it off, but I&#039;m pretty skeptical as well.  The day I see the entire Rails test suite pass using IronRuby will indeed be a good one.

Unfortunately for Microsoft, by the time IronRuby is ready to &quot;ship&quot;, many more folks will have switched from .NET to Ruby/Rails and probably won&#039;t look back.  Including hopefully myself in the somewhat near future.

Oh, btw, Rubiverse can be found here:  http://rubiverse.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I listened to the first 2 episodes of Rubiverse today that touch on a lot of these points.  The first with John Lam and second with Bellware.  The thing that stuck out to me was how important it&#8217;s going to be for Microsoft to get IronRuby to run Rails.  John said they are absolutely planning on doing it, Scott is not so confident.  I really do hope John can pull it off, but I&#8217;m pretty skeptical as well.  The day I see the entire Rails test suite pass using IronRuby will indeed be a good one.</p>
<p>Unfortunately for Microsoft, by the time IronRuby is ready to &#8220;ship&#8221;, many more folks will have switched from .NET to Ruby/Rails and probably won&#8217;t look back.  Including hopefully myself in the somewhat near future.</p>
<p>Oh, btw, Rubiverse can be found here:  <a href="http://rubiverse.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rubiverse.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jason Meridth</title>
		<link>http://lostechies.com/seanchambers/2007/09/22/microsoft-s-fancy-footwork/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Meridth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 23:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can only pray that Microsoft will allow those developers utilize their talents to help the company realize it&#039;s current role as our industry&#039;s innovator.  After reading Fowler&#039;s entry about Alpha geeks, that is exactly what they do, they fulfill innovation.  They take the talk and show the code.  And they usually do it first.

Like my favorite quote from Linus Torvalds (Creator of Linux - which rocks by way (I agree with you Sean)) - &quot;Talk is cheap, show me the code&quot;.

Keep the posts coming bro, they are excellent information for the masses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can only pray that Microsoft will allow those developers utilize their talents to help the company realize it&#8217;s current role as our industry&#8217;s innovator.  After reading Fowler&#8217;s entry about Alpha geeks, that is exactly what they do, they fulfill innovation.  They take the talk and show the code.  And they usually do it first.</p>
<p>Like my favorite quote from Linus Torvalds (Creator of Linux &#8211; which rocks by way (I agree with you Sean)) &#8211; &#8220;Talk is cheap, show me the code&#8221;.</p>
<p>Keep the posts coming bro, they are excellent information for the masses.</p>
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